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Southpark Scientology Episode
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Anonymous vs. Church of Scientology
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Thanks for the video, Leon. I really liked the other anti-scientology demonstration/raid/protest videos on the side bar. I see one from Toronto, New York City, Los Angeles, and Orlando.
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I officially despise my brain. I missed the protests D=
That said, I will be attending the next one, and any others after that. Even though part of being a minister of the ULC tells me to spread freedom of religion, another part says, and I quote, "within the boundaries of the law". Sorry, Scientology, but you've passed that line long ago.
We are Legion.
We do not forgive.
We do not forget.
That said, I will be attending the next one, and any others after that. Even though part of being a minister of the ULC tells me to spread freedom of religion, another part says, and I quote, "within the boundaries of the law". Sorry, Scientology, but you've passed that line long ago.
We are Legion.
We do not forgive.
We do not forget.
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Scientology is the epitome of bad ideas. I mean, C'MON. XENU. HE SOUNDS LIKE A HE-MAN CHARACTER OR SOMETHIN'.
All scientology is is a big scam; a big waste of money for people who actually believe you when you say, "Did you know that 'gullible' isn't in the dictionary?" For that reason, I side with Anonymous.
EXPECT US.
All scientology is is a big scam; a big waste of money for people who actually believe you when you say, "Did you know that 'gullible' isn't in the dictionary?" For that reason, I side with Anonymous.
EXPECT US.
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actually, most people(and by most, I mean all) are actually unaware of the Xenu stuff...
when you enter the church, they just give you a 'test' called an E-meter. this device is actually a lie detector in a different(and sci-fi) form. while giving you the intial test, the testers (who don't usually know much either) have you follow steps that are supposed to make you 'relax'...
what most people don't know (I think I heard it from 'wise beard man' on youtube) is that these steps are what can be called 'trance warm ups', or 'how to unwittingly prepare people for hypnosis'. once the test is completed, there is usually a huge hole in your mental barrier that weakens you to mind raep. then while you're weakened, they tell you that you have 'potential' and can join the church at the bottom rank for a 'small' fee. when you agree(and I say when, not if. cause of the hole in your mental wall) they load you up with videos explaining what this energy is and that you need more testing...
this begins the downward spiral of a four pronged attack that goes like this...
1) they have E-meter sessions to weaken you.
2) During these sessions, they get information on you and your loved ones that can be used to keep you in.
3) they give you material to make you become more involved, which actually has a form of subliminal messages that will program you into the perfect 'worker'.
4) after you have been 'trained' enough to use the 'aliens', you are offered a chance to rise in ranks for a larger fee(which you accept without 'thinking', cause you can't)
5)wash, rinse, repeat... until you have a automatic robot to make money and convert other people.
or at least thats what I gathered...
by the time they get high up enough to hear about Xenu, they are so wiped that they think this is normal, which also explains the irrational behavior that most of the higerups have. including hunting down humanz.
when you enter the church, they just give you a 'test' called an E-meter. this device is actually a lie detector in a different(and sci-fi) form. while giving you the intial test, the testers (who don't usually know much either) have you follow steps that are supposed to make you 'relax'...
what most people don't know (I think I heard it from 'wise beard man' on youtube) is that these steps are what can be called 'trance warm ups', or 'how to unwittingly prepare people for hypnosis'. once the test is completed, there is usually a huge hole in your mental barrier that weakens you to mind raep. then while you're weakened, they tell you that you have 'potential' and can join the church at the bottom rank for a 'small' fee. when you agree(and I say when, not if. cause of the hole in your mental wall) they load you up with videos explaining what this energy is and that you need more testing...
this begins the downward spiral of a four pronged attack that goes like this...
1) they have E-meter sessions to weaken you.
2) During these sessions, they get information on you and your loved ones that can be used to keep you in.
3) they give you material to make you become more involved, which actually has a form of subliminal messages that will program you into the perfect 'worker'.
4) after you have been 'trained' enough to use the 'aliens', you are offered a chance to rise in ranks for a larger fee(which you accept without 'thinking', cause you can't)
5)wash, rinse, repeat... until you have a automatic robot to make money and convert other people.
or at least thats what I gathered...
by the time they get high up enough to hear about Xenu, they are so wiped that they think this is normal, which also explains the irrational behavior that most of the higerups have. including hunting down humanz.
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You know, I think that this sort of thinking is a bad idea...
Not because I'm afraid of retribution from those dickweeds, but because I think it may be a trend.
I mean, think about it. Almost all major religion today was, at one point, highly persecuted. The Jews, the Christians, the Muslims, and even then sects within them, particularly Christianity, like Mormonism and the like.
People bad mouthed those sorts of things constantly, and some of them at the time were real whoppers. What if Anon accidentally strengthens and legitimizes it's enemy? The extra attention does nothing but strengthen them. I bet that some people who fight like this could tell you more about Scientology than their own religion.
Not because I'm afraid of retribution from those dickweeds, but because I think it may be a trend.
I mean, think about it. Almost all major religion today was, at one point, highly persecuted. The Jews, the Christians, the Muslims, and even then sects within them, particularly Christianity, like Mormonism and the like.
People bad mouthed those sorts of things constantly, and some of them at the time were real whoppers. What if Anon accidentally strengthens and legitimizes it's enemy? The extra attention does nothing but strengthen them. I bet that some people who fight like this could tell you more about Scientology than their own religion.
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It doesn't change the fact they've killed and harassed people, destroy families, and twist the constitution to their will. This needs to stop, one way or another.
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Steve, I acknowledge your point as a valid one, as far as it's limited to the idea that "slippery slopes are dangerous." Yes, yes they are. Particularly for controversial cases. However, as sometimes said in legal debate, yes, there is a slippery slope, but the slope won't slip in this case.
Scientology is not borderline. Here, there are clear limits we can set. The beauty of a democratic legislative system and common law judicial system is that it allows for heroic battles and reshapings in the gray areas as public opinion pushes for reform from both sides of the issue, while maintaining clear areas of wrong in the periphery. Under the current body of common law precedent, Scientology is too much of an outlier to affect any future decisions. Even in the unfair court decisions that exonerated CoS of some of its crimes, the judges basically say "only in this case, we make the exception, and for no one else," barring all future cases from citing the decision as precedent.
I repeat, Scientology is not a borderline test case. It kills and blackmails. It extorts vast sums of money from followers and threatens the IRS with frivolous lawsuits, bullying the IRS into a particularly sweet tax-exemption deal that no other religion in the US gets , mainstream or otherwise. Its silencing of freedom of speech is blatantly outside the range of judicially acceptable precedent, even in this era of large-scale threats to freedom of speech in America. The only question that is possibly controversial is the question of whether Internet reposting of unaltered copyrighted material is protected under free speech if its posted for the purpose of newsworthiness or inducing commentary.
You can feel good about opposing Scientology with all your heart. The line won't slip because of it.
Scientology is not borderline. Here, there are clear limits we can set. The beauty of a democratic legislative system and common law judicial system is that it allows for heroic battles and reshapings in the gray areas as public opinion pushes for reform from both sides of the issue, while maintaining clear areas of wrong in the periphery. Under the current body of common law precedent, Scientology is too much of an outlier to affect any future decisions. Even in the unfair court decisions that exonerated CoS of some of its crimes, the judges basically say "only in this case, we make the exception, and for no one else," barring all future cases from citing the decision as precedent.
I repeat, Scientology is not a borderline test case. It kills and blackmails. It extorts vast sums of money from followers and threatens the IRS with frivolous lawsuits, bullying the IRS into a particularly sweet tax-exemption deal that no other religion in the US gets , mainstream or otherwise. Its silencing of freedom of speech is blatantly outside the range of judicially acceptable precedent, even in this era of large-scale threats to freedom of speech in America. The only question that is possibly controversial is the question of whether Internet reposting of unaltered copyrighted material is protected under free speech if its posted for the purpose of newsworthiness or inducing commentary.
You can feel good about opposing Scientology with all your heart. The line won't slip because of it.
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It doesn't change the fact they've killed and harassed people, destroy families, and twist the constitution to their will. This needs to stop, one way or another.
And Christianity never did anything like that. Especially not during the Crusades.
Don't get me wrong, I hate scientology as much as the next guy, I'm not saying it's okay to do the stuff they're doing, and you're completely right, what they are doing is wrong, but a lot of people said similar things in ages past about countless other religions.
I just don't think flaming on the internet will really help the issue. Now, throwing a flaming object into their offices, on the other hand...
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No offense, Steve, but have you been keeping up? Anonymous proposed mass protests all over the world against Scientology which happened yesterday. I know, I didn't make it, but I heard from a couple of friends that the CoS HQ in Edinburgh got quite a large turnout. I've yet to hear how the other protests went, though, so don't quote this one as the standard for all of them.
[EDIT] Video clips of the London protests.
[EDIT] Video clips of the London protests.
