Paradoxical Question

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This is a really sad paradox, a 1, maybe 2, on a scale of 1 to 10.

Thanks, you ass, I was asking a serous question. XD

Thanks, SMS, that helped me clear things up--I wasn't sure if there was an actual paradox involved.

I still like the kill-your-grandfather one. XD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporal_paradox

A good place to start. Though I've learned most of these through outside sources.

actually, my view is different from youse guys. here's how it works...

first off, lets say you try to go to the future( this helps simplify it for the past). since you whent to the future and therefore do not exist( based on the Schrodinger's cat principal) in the present (which we shall call point A) which you created a milisecond since you left that point to go to the future(which is now called point B-2, as apposed to B-1 which is the future when you didn't travel to the future). This occurs because in the time you are experiencing(B-2) you haven't returned to time A because it hasn't happened yet. when you return to time A, B-2 will become B-1 because you exist in that part of the time line again(or B-3 to B-n cause you use the knowledge to change some fact outside of your life, like kill the guy who killed the president).

now since we did the easy part, lets move on to the hard part(yes I just said that)...

once again, when you go through time, you create your own timestream, and as you don't exist in the present when your in the future, you also don't exist in the present when your in the past(it's like cutting string then tying it to a different part). so if you go to the past(point B again), you could do anything to change the present(point A) with no repercussions on yourself, but it would effect the present around you.

lets say you go back to kill your parents. when you change point B to point B-2 by whichever way possible, YOU and your memories/items you have with you(which don't exist in the present(point A), because you removed yourself by time travel) stay the same, but everything else(in point A-2) changes. so you could go to the future(point A-2) and bask in whichever changes you make.

or you could, you know, grow up and realize that you guys are thinking about using something that just measures the rotation/orbit of the planet that was thought of a civilization that also thought the sun was a ball of flame pulled by a guy in a chariot, and doesn't really exist as a dimension you could travel.

seriously, it defies our laws of dimensions, if it's not our dimension we wouldn't be able to move or see effects from it, if it was a lower, we could do this stuff(aka. time jumping) all of the time. USE THE RAZOR!

Goddamn, first people talk about "If I see myself in the past/future, will the universe crash?" and now theres this "What happens if I kill my parents before I was born?"

the past is already installed with time travel, so everything that time travelers will do/have done are the SAME EXACT THING, so lets get back to the "If I see myself in the past/future, will the universe crash?" questions.

Damn people....

I think Niax is referring the Back To The Future clause, which goes something like this:



Say that the Black line is the current timeline. If you were to go back in time and somehow stop RE:RN from being created, then when you go back to the present, you'd be in the Red line instead of the Black line.

The Wiki that Steve presented pretty much has all the main theories, my favourite being the Bill and Ted one.

"How are we supposed to get them out of prison?"

"Dude, you could steal your dads keys!"

"But I can't, he lost them two days ago."

"Well, we could do it after the report! We travel back in time to before he lost them. Then, we come here and... leave them behind that sign! That way, when we get here now they'll be waiting for us!" *picks up keys from behind sign* "See?"

"Woah, awsome! But we can't forget to do this because then it'll never happen. But it did happen! Hey, it was me who stole my dad's keys!

Heheh, oh, the 80s...

I personally like this view...



edit: actually, I was refering do a(slightly) different theory...

no... wait wait wait...

like the future biff one in the second, but in the first and third they wouldn't be affected by the change because they are seperate from the timeline that changes...

*Brain explodes from reading the thread*

*Free roll for everyone :D*

Naix, you're talking about the temporal protection theory. Basically, a time traveler is protected by his own temporal incursion, and is thus not effected by changes in the timeline. This is commonly used in mainstream fiction, (Back to the Future, Bill and Ted(Though this is more of a predestination thing) the Time Machine, that sort of thing) However, this is only a theory, and time travel could just as easily work in the direction of you no being protected, which is more along the Star Trek lines of time travel.

Not to mention back to the future, where he almost makes his dad not meet his mom.

But in the sense of fate, he was born, and went back in time infinite times because of the way that, in the "true" history, he did go back, and cause his parents to meet.


Time travel sucks.
-George

or as previouly stated, THE RAZOR!

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or you could, you know, grow up and realize that you guys are thinking about using something that just measures the rotation/orbit of the planet that was thought of a civilization that also thought the sun was a ball of flame pulled by a guy in a chariot, and doesn't really exist as a dimension you could travel.

I prefer the Sherman and Peabody sort of time travel, where something in history goes wrong and you have to fix it, and at the end of the adventure everything's rounded off with a nice pun.